If I’m in 3rd person limited omniscient, I was told that I can switch the 3rd person LO, but I can’t do it within the same scene. I understand that. However, my question is whether I can switch to objective omniscient (“fly on the wall”) for a scene provided that I do not break the rule of writing within the view of any one person? I did that, and I got negative feedback from the beta reader because I switched to omniscient POV for a scene that didn’t include my protagonist or any other 3rd person LO. But in my mind, it’s not true omniscient since I didn’t write from any one perspective necessarily; it was all dialogue, actions, and gestures. What do you all think?
(I’m a little confused because I believe limited and omniscient are opposites – I think I get the gist, but I might say something here that doesn’t make sense)
It is generally considered bad taste to switch POVs, so it doesn’t surprise me that your beta reader flagged it. However, there ARE exceptions where it can be done well if done intentionally. My first suggestion would be to make sure you’re shifting POV for a good reason – something that adds to the theme or the reader experience, not just because it may be easier to write.
If you are confident in the purpose of your POV shift, the negative feedback from your beta reader does not automatically mean you have to cut it. However, it does mean you might not be “pulling it off” yet. Are there edits you can make to reinforce the point of the shift and clue the reader in that its intentional?
Finally, it’s good to get multiple opinions. See if other beta readers flag the change, too. If you do edits and people still aren’t getting it, it may be best after all to find a way to write the scene in the prevailing POV style. It’s just easier to keep readers on board.
I apologize for being confusing. The way Brad broke it down was that limited omniscient means that one can make observations about anything one wants, even down to the most granular level. But with the case of third person, the limited omniscient allows the author to be inside the head of a single person, but nobody else. That’s the limitation.
In this instance, there is some element of conspiracy against the protagonist. And it just doesn’t make any sense for that to happen in front of the protagonist because, well, it’s a secret conspiracy! But to your point, there is definitely a reason why the scene was written the way it was. I could pick a character to carry forward the third person LO, I suppose. That would not be hard to do.
I took you up on the advice, and the second beta reader didn’t find anything wrong with it, and she wasn’t confused by what was going on. The first beta engages in the craft of writing. The second was merely a person who reads more books than any person that I’ve ever known. One was more focused on the craft; the other was more of a consumer, albeit a very avid one. Maybe it’s the difference between a dogmatic orthopraxis of the craft, and then just doing what feels right. I’m not sure exactly.